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Rogerian Thoughts and Views

3 Commentsby   |  12.01.13  |  Second Blog Post

Carl Rogers was a very complex man who provided a lot of great insight into the psychology world. His work covers such a broad spectrum and speaks to so many topics that it is very hard to pin point exactly what stage his ideas align best with. I think when you take a look at Roger’s view on personality and the idea of an actualizing tendency his ideas align best with creation. He believes that humans are born with a innate drive toward self-actualization. Self-actualizaion is essentially the realization and or fulfillment of one’s full potential. So who gave these people there potential? Who gave humans the ability to realize that there is something they are “destined” for? There must be a creator. There has to be a higher power who appointed each individual with the ability to do certain things and to reach a certain level in their achievements. I believe that Roger’s ideas of self-actualization, and other’s similar ideas, all point towards an all powerful creator who is overseeing the whole process.

On the other hand, I think when we take a look at some of Roger’s other ideas about personality, we will see more of a correlation between the Fall. Rogers talks of how people have this internal desire and need for positive regard. People need to feel accepted, loved and desired by the people around them. But through a Christian perspective this is exactly what we are called not to do. We are told to look for our fulfillment through Christ and Christ alone. We are not called to be a part of the world, just in it. So as soon as humans begin to loo for fulfillment and acceptance from the people around them, that is when we fall. We become so focused on the positive regard from others that we lose sight of who we are meant to be. We lose sight of who Christ has created us to be because we are too concerned with pleasing others that we will change our attitudes to fit what is most acceptable. Carl Rogers has many great ideas that I think can be attributed to both the ideas of Creation and the Fall.

McDougall and Creation

3 Commentsby   |  11.15.13  |  Second Blog Post

William McDougall brought about a new idea to psychology. The idea of purposive behavior, this type of behavior was different from reflexive behavior which many psychologists before him had been studying. This type of behavior focused on variety, spontaneity and improvement through practice. Essentially the type of behavior that McDougall was talking about is behavior that is very specifically thought out before it is produced. McDougall talks a lot about the importance of having a goal, and that there is something within every person that causes them to strive towards a goal, there is an internal drive that keeps them going. Because of this, I believe that McDougall’s ideas best align with Creation. He believes that people are capable of more than just mindless reactions, he believes that there is always a goal in behavior. If there is no creator, than there would be no reason for actions and behaviors that are purposefully thought out. So by saying that behaviors are thoughtful, intricate processes, McDougall supports the idea that a creator had to put these ideas within the human brain. Mcdougall then goes on to speak about the importance of instincts, he believes that instincts will interact in specific ways to cause motivation, in a very intricate process. There is no way that this intricate process could just arise, it was very specific and thought out by a creator who made man for a specific purpose. McDougall’s ideas about the intricacies of behavior and motivational tendencies truly lead one to believe that he is in support of an all mighty creator.

Spencer: God or Evolution

2 Commentsby   |  10.18.13  |  Second Blog Post

“Everything…begins as an undifferentiated whole.” (280) This is one of Herbert Spencer’s main ideas about life. He believes that everything; the human nervous system, society, thoughts, everything in this world started out as basically a massless blob of nothingness. Spencer is a strong supporter of evolution, and essentially during this time period you could not believe in both evolution and God. But I would dare to argue that Spencer unconsciously supports God, or at least a higher power. Because how can he say that all the complexities and differences of humans just arose from an evolutionary process. There has to be some sort of higher power that orchestrated the evolution at least, someone who started everything and got the ball rolling. Because of this idea I believe that Spencer’s psychology fits in with the idea of creation. As humans we are made up of “…complex nervous system…complex nervous systems allow us to make an accurate neurophysiological…recording of events in our environment…” (281) This time of complexity does not just arise from nature, there has to be some someone “pulling the strings.” Not only does Spencer believe that evolution exists, but he also believes that “evolution meant progress…evolution has a purpose.” (281) If this evolution is not directed by some higher power, than how can it have a directive purpose? It can’t. By trying to support his own ideas of evolution, and survival of the fittest, Spencer is actually supporting the idea that there is a God who exists, and who created each individual human being. He talks endlessly about the complexities of humans, the complexity of our brains, our nervous system, our bodies, and this complexity just cannot exist without a creator. Although Spencer does not openly and outright give any support to the ideas of creation by a God, I believe there is a heavy undertone to much of his research and ideologies that supports this idea.

Edmund Husserl and Creation

2 Commentsby   |  10.04.13  |  Second Blog Post

Husserl took the original idea of phenomenology and put his own unique spin on it. He brought in some ideas of original essences of mental processes, believing that each mental process had a basic essence, which it derived from. I think the only possible alignment that can be made with Husserl is to creation. But even then I do not think he makes any sort of blatantly obvious connections. He doesn’t make any mention of a higher power, or a belief that someone created man, but through his ideas about consciousness and mental processes I believe he shows a part of his belief that he might not even been aware he is presenting. I like the line in which it states; “…mental acts are directed at something outside themselves.” I have no idea what Husserl meant by this statement, but I take it as our mental acts, thoughts, feelings emotions, etc. are meant for something more than to just be introspective and closed off. They are meant to be expressive, and fully of ups and downs. Our mental acts are directed at something outside of themselves because they were derived from something outside of themselves. We were created fully and wholly by an all-powerful God, and because of this our mental activities are seeking him out. This may seem a far stretch, but than Husserl goes on to speak more on the idea of essences. And I think this is where the idea of creation can really be seen. Husserl believed that every mental process had an essence, but he doesn’t give an idea of where these essences may have originated from. This could be because he has no idea, or it could be because he is afraid to admit that maybe some higher power ultimately created these essences within us, giving us the ability to process things for ourselves, but ultimately being the creator of everything. Husserl goes as far as to say, that without knowing the essences of things such as perception, memory and feeling; there is no reason to perform experiments. This could mean that, without fully understanding what our Creator had planned in creating us, we cannot fully understand all our own mental processes. Because God created us, only he fully comprehends our mental essences, and thus we are nothing without his hand of creation. And finally, Husserl believed that these mental images were a way in “…which humans experience themselves, other humans, and the world.” I think this could be expanded to say; how they experience the world and how they relate to their creator.

Francesco Petrarch – Blog Post #2

1 Commentby   |  09.20.13  |  Second Blog Post

Francesco Petrarch’s writing marks the beginning of the Renaissance (pg. 94). This period of time was characterized by extreme individualism, very personalized religion, increased interest in the past and Anti-Aristotelianism (pg. 94). I believe that because of this focus on God, and religion and having such an individualized and personal relationship with God, that much of Francesco’s ideologies and beliefs fit into the category of Restoration or New Creation. It could even be argued that he fits into the category of original creation.
Petrarch states: “by actualizing the potential God has given to us, we can change the world for the better” (pg. 94). So although humans may have in the past created chaos and destruction in this world they still have a chance to fix what they have done and create a new world in which there can be peace and harmony. Petrarch believed in “freeing the human spirit from the confines of medieval traditions…” (pg.94). Again supporting the idea that although humans have messed up in the past, and spent to much time drawing away from God, they still have a chance for restoration and redemption. Petrarch also believed that “God wanted humans to use their vast capabilities, not inhibit them” (pg. 94). With this statement I believe that he supports the idea of creation. He supports the idea that God created man ultimately for good, he created man to do good things in this world and to make something of himself. Not to tear the world apart and fight against all of God’s creation. I think looking at Petrarch’s Renaissance influence is also important for understanding some of his beliefs. Because this time period so supported a personal religion, people were becoming more aware of who God could be in their lives. I believe many people at this point were repenting of their sins and looking for a relationship with a God who loves them instead of looking to be part of a church that tells them what they can and cannot do, in this way I think again Petrarch supports the idea of Restoration. I think it is interesting that Petrarch did not necessarily contribute anything new to the philosophical world, but he challenged religion and philosophy enough that it made people think a different way. It made people more aware of who they were meant to be, and who Christ created them to be, so in this way they sought restoration of their nation and of their world.

Creation-Fall-Redemption-Restoration

1 Commentby   |  09.06.13  |  Student Posts

I think in reference to redemption Plato has a lot of interesting ideas that coincide. Plato believes that knowledge is the only way to discover the truth. To him nothing can be discovered or understood unless full knowledge of the subject is obtained. So in the process of redemption we are attempting to fix and repair everything that has been lost or mangled by the fall. And if we are to take this perspective and say that the lost thing or things are knowledge and the understanding of truth; part of the redemption and restoration process must be re-attaining this all. So in order for humans to begin the healing and to reach the restoration process we must seek to gain a better understanding of what is going on around us and how all the functions and intricate details of the world affect our own functioning. Plato furthermore supports the ideas of redemption and restoration with his theory that everything has a perfect form. If we as humans are to reach a state of full restoration than we must be able to discover the true form of ourselves. Plato argues that the trees we see are nothing but a slight trace of the ultimate, perfect form of this tree. So it can be assumed that we as humans are only a mere trace of the pure and ultimate human form, which we know as God or Jesus. So in order for humans to begin the redemption and restorative process we must focus on attaining knowledge that will help us become closer in resemblance to this perfect human specimen, Jesus. But when considering this, we also know that it is impossible to be God or Jesus, because He is perfect and good which humans can never be. So it could be argued that although the redemption process is possible, we as humans can strive for truth by educating ourselves. But we can never reach full restoration because no matter how hard we study or how knowledgeable we become there will always be something separating us from Christ. This could possibly be related to Plato’s allegory of the cave. The cave is where we have been placed after the fall, everything is in shadows, we are chained and we are unable to see who we ourselves truly are. Eventually, one or two of us reach a level of self-introspection that we have become aware enough of our brokenness that we are able to free ourselves from the fog. But it is a long, extensive process. Since we have been in the dark for so long. We fight to restore our thoughts and beliefs. But we are unable to save our friends. They are only able to save themselves through the same process of self-actualization.

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  1. Nicole Nelson on Frankl and Redemption
    11:49 pm, 12.04.13

    Taylor,

    I definitely agree with you a bout Frankl and redemption. It is interesting to look at a man like him, who has been through so much in his life, and still has a positive view on life. And than to compare him to other psychologists who maybe have had an easier life, but look at the world in such a negative light. I wonder why that is..But I like your comparison with turning the other cheek. Because essentially that’s exactly what Frankl had to do in order to move on with his life. Great post!

  2. Nicole Nelson on Viktor Frankl
    11:47 pm, 12.04.13

    Matt,

    I really like how you see the bright side of Frankl. Obviously he had a very tough life, and it would be very easy to associate his ideas with the Fall, since he experienced so much of the evil of man throughout his life. I think it is great that not only was he able to come out of his circumstances and make something of himself, but that people like you are able to recognize the depth of his thoughts and feelings. Great post!

  3. Lindsay,

    I really like how you related Pavlov’s ideas to the trickery of modern day advertising. It was a very interesting idea that I would not have thought of. But I completely agree! I like how you talk about the Fall having to do with “innate human instincts that we have trouble controlling.” I agree to a point. Yes, we are naturally born into sin, we are sinful creatures. But at the same time, Eve chose to eat the fruit. Yes, she had the internal sinful desire to eat the fruit, and she had trouble suppressing these “bad” thoughts. But at the same time, I think that sin, and thus the Fall do involve conscious control of sinful behaviors. I know personally, there are many times when I am completely aware of the sin in my life. But as you postulate, there are also times when it is innate and I am barely aware of it. Sin is such an interesting concept in relation to the Fall and psychology in general. Great post!

  4. Nicole Nelson on Hull's hand in history
    1:35 pm, 11.17.13

    Jacey,

    I loved how you focused not only on Hull’s ideas to describe which category he fit into, but you also took a look at his life and circumstances. I think that is very interesting because I have always only looked at the thoughts and ideas of people, and I have neglected to take a look at their lives, which very likely shaped many of their ideas. It is interesting to me that someone’s life who so very much resembles the fall, can come up with ideas that support creation. That must take a special kind of human being, to be able to rise from their own ashes, and say, “just because I was handed some difficulties doesn’t mean I’m going to let it define my life.” I think we should all take a page out of Hull’s book and strive to do more with our lives than just settle. As always, great post!

  5. Nicole Nelson on
    1:32 pm, 11.17.13

    Anna,

    I really loved your post! I love how you associate behaviorism with redemption. I completely agree, I love the idea that we can use psychology to help mend the brokenness of a generation. And I think when you combine God in with that behavioral therapy there is no saying how many people you can heal, and start sending on the path towards eternal redemption. I also love how you talk about changing old habits. Because as humans sin is naturally one of our bad, old habits, and so many people I think get stuck in this rut of believing they aren’t able to rid themselves of sin, thus they aren’t worthy of God’s time. But I think that’s so wrong! Redemption proves that! We are able to remove ourselves from our natural tendencies and draw closer to the Lord! Great post!

  6. Nicole Nelson on William James' Fall
    10:37 am, 11.03.13

    Lindsay,

    Your post was very interesting. I think William James is a very interesting man, and he has a lot of great ideas that he has contributed to modern day psychology. I agree with your classification of him and the Fall, in some aspects. Do you think that accepting the idea of Free Will leads to a strong connection with the Fall? Because essentially if there is free will, than humans are able to chose the path they take, and they are able to chose the path of God or the path of the Fall. What about predestination, if God has already chosen who the fallen will be, is that the same idea? I am a little confused by your last statement, that we can never come out of our own body, I would love to know more about what you mean. But really great post all around!

  7. Jessica,

    I am very intrigued by your post. I don’t know a lot about the Recapitulation Theory besides the basic definition, but I don’t think I would have immediately associated this idea with the fall. But your post gave me a very nice insight to this different perspective. I think it is interesting how you talk about the fact that since we are fallen, we cannot escape the past. Does this mean that because of Adam and Eve sinning we are never able to be near God again? And are children naturally born with cruelty would you say? And if they are, is this because their parents before them sinned? Otherwise why would God create a naturally cruel being? I get what you are saying, but I am slightly confused by the comment about the cruelty of a child. I do completely agree when you talk about sin causing us to be separated from God, but doe this only last until we are in heaven? Because I like to believe that once we reach heaven the evil desires of our soul will completely disappear. Great post!

  8. Nicole Nelson on In[Klein]ed to Fall
    10:27 am, 11.03.13

    Jacey,

    I really like your post! It’s interesting that you chose to align Klein with the Fall. I think I automatically would have put in her in the category of Creation just because of her emphasis on children, she has to believe that there is something deeper behind their creation, and all the intricacies of chidden. But after reading your post I very much agree with what you have to say. It is interesting how you talk about the experience of the baby, who is it that determines what this experience is like. It really got me thinking. It’s interesting that Klein assumed that if one stage of childhood is disturbed than all the rest of that child’s life will be ruined. I think that right there really speaks to the fall. Great post!

  9. Nicole Nelson on Maslow and Redemption
    11:45 pm, 12.04.13

    Hillary,

    I really like how you make the connection between Maslow and redemption! I think it is very true that we as humans cannot realize our full potential until God is thrown into the mix. And I love how you talk about self-actualization being a process that is discovered through God. I think many of the psychologists we have talked about have focused so much on self-actualization as a personal exploration and something we must discover for our selves. But ultimately since God created us, he is the only one who knows our true self. He is the only one who can help us achieve true self-actualization. Great post!

  10. Fantastic response! Thanks so much!!