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Rogerian Thoughts and Views

3 Commentsby   |  12.01.13  |  Second Blog Post

Carl Rogers was a very complex man who provided a lot of great insight into the psychology world. His work covers such a broad spectrum and speaks to so many topics that it is very hard to pin point exactly what stage his ideas align best with. I think when you take a look at Roger’s view on personality and the idea of an actualizing tendency his ideas align best with creation. He believes that humans are born with a innate drive toward self-actualization. Self-actualizaion is essentially the realization and or fulfillment of one’s full potential. So who gave these people there potential? Who gave humans the ability to realize that there is something they are “destined” for? There must be a creator. There has to be a higher power who appointed each individual with the ability to do certain things and to reach a certain level in their achievements. I believe that Roger’s ideas of self-actualization, and other’s similar ideas, all point towards an all powerful creator who is overseeing the whole process.

On the other hand, I think when we take a look at some of Roger’s other ideas about personality, we will see more of a correlation between the Fall. Rogers talks of how people have this internal desire and need for positive regard. People need to feel accepted, loved and desired by the people around them. But through a Christian perspective this is exactly what we are called not to do. We are told to look for our fulfillment through Christ and Christ alone. We are not called to be a part of the world, just in it. So as soon as humans begin to loo for fulfillment and acceptance from the people around them, that is when we fall. We become so focused on the positive regard from others that we lose sight of who we are meant to be. We lose sight of who Christ has created us to be because we are too concerned with pleasing others that we will change our attitudes to fit what is most acceptable. Carl Rogers has many great ideas that I think can be attributed to both the ideas of Creation and the Fall.

McDougall and Creation

3 Commentsby   |  11.15.13  |  Second Blog Post

William McDougall brought about a new idea to psychology. The idea of purposive behavior, this type of behavior was different from reflexive behavior which many psychologists before him had been studying. This type of behavior focused on variety, spontaneity and improvement through practice. Essentially the type of behavior that McDougall was talking about is behavior that is very specifically thought out before it is produced. McDougall talks a lot about the importance of having a goal, and that there is something within every person that causes them to strive towards a goal, there is an internal drive that keeps them going. Because of this, I believe that McDougall’s ideas best align with Creation. He believes that people are capable of more than just mindless reactions, he believes that there is always a goal in behavior. If there is no creator, than there would be no reason for actions and behaviors that are purposefully thought out. So by saying that behaviors are thoughtful, intricate processes, McDougall supports the idea that a creator had to put these ideas within the human brain. Mcdougall then goes on to speak about the importance of instincts, he believes that instincts will interact in specific ways to cause motivation, in a very intricate process. There is no way that this intricate process could just arise, it was very specific and thought out by a creator who made man for a specific purpose. McDougall’s ideas about the intricacies of behavior and motivational tendencies truly lead one to believe that he is in support of an all mighty creator.

Spencer: God or Evolution

2 Commentsby   |  10.18.13  |  Second Blog Post

“Everything…begins as an undifferentiated whole.” (280) This is one of Herbert Spencer’s main ideas about life. He believes that everything; the human nervous system, society, thoughts, everything in this world started out as basically a massless blob of nothingness. Spencer is a strong supporter of evolution, and essentially during this time period you could not believe in both evolution and God. But I would dare to argue that Spencer unconsciously supports God, or at least a higher power. Because how can he say that all the complexities and differences of humans just arose from an evolutionary process. There has to be some sort of higher power that orchestrated the evolution at least, someone who started everything and got the ball rolling. Because of this idea I believe that Spencer’s psychology fits in with the idea of creation. As humans we are made up of “…complex nervous system…complex nervous systems allow us to make an accurate neurophysiological…recording of events in our environment…” (281) This time of complexity does not just arise from nature, there has to be some someone “pulling the strings.” Not only does Spencer believe that evolution exists, but he also believes that “evolution meant progress…evolution has a purpose.” (281) If this evolution is not directed by some higher power, than how can it have a directive purpose? It can’t. By trying to support his own ideas of evolution, and survival of the fittest, Spencer is actually supporting the idea that there is a God who exists, and who created each individual human being. He talks endlessly about the complexities of humans, the complexity of our brains, our nervous system, our bodies, and this complexity just cannot exist without a creator. Although Spencer does not openly and outright give any support to the ideas of creation by a God, I believe there is a heavy undertone to much of his research and ideologies that supports this idea.

Edmund Husserl and Creation

2 Commentsby   |  10.04.13  |  Second Blog Post

Husserl took the original idea of phenomenology and put his own unique spin on it. He brought in some ideas of original essences of mental processes, believing that each mental process had a basic essence, which it derived from. I think the only possible alignment that can be made with Husserl is to creation. But even then I do not think he makes any sort of blatantly obvious connections. He doesn’t make any mention of a higher power, or a belief that someone created man, but through his ideas about consciousness and mental processes I believe he shows a part of his belief that he might not even been aware he is presenting. I like the line in which it states; “…mental acts are directed at something outside themselves.” I have no idea what Husserl meant by this statement, but I take it as our mental acts, thoughts, feelings emotions, etc. are meant for something more than to just be introspective and closed off. They are meant to be expressive, and fully of ups and downs. Our mental acts are directed at something outside of themselves because they were derived from something outside of themselves. We were created fully and wholly by an all-powerful God, and because of this our mental activities are seeking him out. This may seem a far stretch, but than Husserl goes on to speak more on the idea of essences. And I think this is where the idea of creation can really be seen. Husserl believed that every mental process had an essence, but he doesn’t give an idea of where these essences may have originated from. This could be because he has no idea, or it could be because he is afraid to admit that maybe some higher power ultimately created these essences within us, giving us the ability to process things for ourselves, but ultimately being the creator of everything. Husserl goes as far as to say, that without knowing the essences of things such as perception, memory and feeling; there is no reason to perform experiments. This could mean that, without fully understanding what our Creator had planned in creating us, we cannot fully understand all our own mental processes. Because God created us, only he fully comprehends our mental essences, and thus we are nothing without his hand of creation. And finally, Husserl believed that these mental images were a way in “…which humans experience themselves, other humans, and the world.” I think this could be expanded to say; how they experience the world and how they relate to their creator.

Francesco Petrarch – Blog Post #2

1 Commentby   |  09.20.13  |  Second Blog Post

Francesco Petrarch’s writing marks the beginning of the Renaissance (pg. 94). This period of time was characterized by extreme individualism, very personalized religion, increased interest in the past and Anti-Aristotelianism (pg. 94). I believe that because of this focus on God, and religion and having such an individualized and personal relationship with God, that much of Francesco’s ideologies and beliefs fit into the category of Restoration or New Creation. It could even be argued that he fits into the category of original creation.
Petrarch states: “by actualizing the potential God has given to us, we can change the world for the better” (pg. 94). So although humans may have in the past created chaos and destruction in this world they still have a chance to fix what they have done and create a new world in which there can be peace and harmony. Petrarch believed in “freeing the human spirit from the confines of medieval traditions…” (pg.94). Again supporting the idea that although humans have messed up in the past, and spent to much time drawing away from God, they still have a chance for restoration and redemption. Petrarch also believed that “God wanted humans to use their vast capabilities, not inhibit them” (pg. 94). With this statement I believe that he supports the idea of creation. He supports the idea that God created man ultimately for good, he created man to do good things in this world and to make something of himself. Not to tear the world apart and fight against all of God’s creation. I think looking at Petrarch’s Renaissance influence is also important for understanding some of his beliefs. Because this time period so supported a personal religion, people were becoming more aware of who God could be in their lives. I believe many people at this point were repenting of their sins and looking for a relationship with a God who loves them instead of looking to be part of a church that tells them what they can and cannot do, in this way I think again Petrarch supports the idea of Restoration. I think it is interesting that Petrarch did not necessarily contribute anything new to the philosophical world, but he challenged religion and philosophy enough that it made people think a different way. It made people more aware of who they were meant to be, and who Christ created them to be, so in this way they sought restoration of their nation and of their world.

Creation-Fall-Redemption-Restoration

1 Commentby   |  09.06.13  |  Student Posts

I think in reference to redemption Plato has a lot of interesting ideas that coincide. Plato believes that knowledge is the only way to discover the truth. To him nothing can be discovered or understood unless full knowledge of the subject is obtained. So in the process of redemption we are attempting to fix and repair everything that has been lost or mangled by the fall. And if we are to take this perspective and say that the lost thing or things are knowledge and the understanding of truth; part of the redemption and restoration process must be re-attaining this all. So in order for humans to begin the healing and to reach the restoration process we must seek to gain a better understanding of what is going on around us and how all the functions and intricate details of the world affect our own functioning. Plato furthermore supports the ideas of redemption and restoration with his theory that everything has a perfect form. If we as humans are to reach a state of full restoration than we must be able to discover the true form of ourselves. Plato argues that the trees we see are nothing but a slight trace of the ultimate, perfect form of this tree. So it can be assumed that we as humans are only a mere trace of the pure and ultimate human form, which we know as God or Jesus. So in order for humans to begin the redemption and restorative process we must focus on attaining knowledge that will help us become closer in resemblance to this perfect human specimen, Jesus. But when considering this, we also know that it is impossible to be God or Jesus, because He is perfect and good which humans can never be. So it could be argued that although the redemption process is possible, we as humans can strive for truth by educating ourselves. But we can never reach full restoration because no matter how hard we study or how knowledgeable we become there will always be something separating us from Christ. This could possibly be related to Plato’s allegory of the cave. The cave is where we have been placed after the fall, everything is in shadows, we are chained and we are unable to see who we ourselves truly are. Eventually, one or two of us reach a level of self-introspection that we have become aware enough of our brokenness that we are able to free ourselves from the fog. But it is a long, extensive process. Since we have been in the dark for so long. We fight to restore our thoughts and beliefs. But we are unable to save our friends. They are only able to save themselves through the same process of self-actualization.

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  1. Nicole Nelson on Pierre Flourens
    4:04 pm, 10.21.13

    Jacey,

    I liked your post a lot! You really put Flouren’s in a positive light, and for good reason I believe. It was very intriguing to me, the fact that you put him in with creation. Since he is best known for ablation, I think my automatic assumption was that he should be placed in the Fall category. Because how can someone who destroys what God has created, for the good of science, be put in the category of creation. But I really like how to you went on to explain it and ended up convincing me. I think you bring it all together when you say he just wanted to understand the creation of all these beings. And I really like how you even give some support to him inline with the Fall at the end. Great post!

  2. Nicole Nelson on Darwin and redemption
    3:59 pm, 10.21.13

    Tyler,

    I was very intrigued when I read the first sentence of your post. Because at first thought I definitely would not pin Darwin with redemption. But I was really impressed with how you explained your ideas. I think it would be cool if you went on to explain a bit more about the “perfecting” of a species and how that relates specifically to humans and redemption. You went on a little big about it in your second paragraph, but you focused more on the idea of Social Darwinism. All in all I really liked your post!

  3. Hi Savannah,

    First off LOVE the picture you chose. It is absolutely beautiful! I think it is very interesting that you took some one who most people would consider to be so far away from any biblical beliefs and you related him to God. I really like your take on it. I like how you talk about God equipping us specifically with the different types of genes we would need in order for evolution processes to come about. I like how you relate God to every aspect that many scientists exclude him from. Very interesting post with a lot of great ideas.

  4. Nicole Nelson on Immanuel Kant
    6:06 pm, 10.05.13

    Rachel,

    Kant was one of the philosophers that caught my attention as well, reading through the text book. So I was happy to see that some one else shared my interest. I also thought the web links you provided were a nice addition to your post. I couldn’t find where you mentioned which step you thought he was aligned with (Creation, Fall, etc.). Maybe you forgot to put it in? But I would love to know which one you think he aligns with, because he holds so strongly to this idea that everything is a fabrication of our minds. So I would assume that he probably does not believe in a God who created everything we see. So would he be aligned with the Fall because he doesn’t believe there is any connection between man and God? I would love to know your take on this. But overall a great, interesting post!

  5. Nicole Nelson on Born free
    6:01 pm, 10.05.13

    Anna,

    I really like how you made the connections between Adam and Eve and Rousseau’s idea that the perfect human exists only outside of society. But at the same time, were Adam and Eve really part of a society? I would venture to say that they were as natural and in touch with nature as it can get, and yet they still fell. How would you relate this idea to Rousseau’s philosophies? Just some food for thought. But I really like how you go on to basically counter Rousseau’s ideas of the “noble savage” I agree in most aspects. I feel like you talked a lot about God creating the “perfect human” or creating man to be a “noble savage” but you didn’t really touch much on the Fall idea behind Rousseau’s philosophies. I know you stated that you believed he aligned with the Creation and the Fall; but I would like to know more about why you think he fits in with the Fall. Great post!

  6. Nicole Nelson on Hume and The Fall
    5:56 pm, 10.05.13

    Angela,

    I was very intrigued by your post. At first I was a little bit confused where you were going with Hume in relation to the Fall. But once you started talking about morality and his ideas of what is real and what isn’t I got what you were going for! I love how you connect all of Hume’s “misconceptions” about morality and about God, to the Fall. Because previously I had viewed the Fall as a period in which humans Fall away from God after already having been with him for some time period. But I think the idea you are going for is more like, humans have never been able to reach him because of Hume’s skewed ideas, thus they have always been separated for him. It is an interesting take on the Fall and I like it! Great post!

  7. Caroline,

    This was a very interesting take on Newton’s philosophies! On first thought I would probably have put Newton under the Fall category, just because he believes that God almost doesn’t care about humans, so thus humans begin to forget about God and forget about the fact that he gave them life, thus they begin to destroy what he has given them. But after reading your post I definitely see where you’re coming from! I love when you talk about Newton fighting against the limitations of this time period. I think that says a lot about his character, which leads me to believe that he probably does support redemption. Like you said he is unwilling to accept the fact that there is only so much humans can do, instead he pushes people to learn as much as they can. So this may lead to people learning that in order to restore their lives to what God originally created they must make an effort in the redemption process. Great post!

  8. Nicole Nelson on
    7:28 pm, 09.21.13

    Rebecca,

    I really like how you comment on the fact that Averroes might not have been perfectly aligned with Christian theology, but the basic ideology he holds still supports the idea of creation. It’s very interesting to consider the fact that someone could be in conflict with the church and yet still support creation and God. But I agree with this post, I think that maybe somewhere along the way Averroes’ ideas got distorted, maybe he originally held God into higher esteem but got lost along the way. Or maybe even the church was in the wrong and he was in the right, it would be interesting to learn more about this. I love where you talk about restoration because of what we have in Christ Jesus, and I think the new heaven and new earth relate very well to Averroes idea of everything being a reflection of God’s influence. Great post!

  9. Jacey,

    I really like how you compare and contrast all the different aspects of Erasmus! He obviously had a lot of personal, spiritual and emotional issues going on, and yet he still somehow found the good in life and the good in God. I like that fact that you not only say that Erasmus supports redemption but you make a definitive connection between his actions and his support of redemption. I thought it was very interesting when you compared Erasmus and Luther. They are definitely two men on very different sides of the spectrum when it comes to beliefs. Lastly, I really like how you bring in the ideas of free-will and predestination, because I think what a philosopher believes in reference to these two options says a lot about what stage; creation-fall-redepmtion-restoration, they believe in. And I think the belief in free will definitely fits well with redemption. Great post!

  10. Anna,

    Very interesting take this! I like how you state that if the ideology is “Man is the measure of all things” than there is no room for God. It is so true! I would have to agree and say that the main reason the “Fall” occurred was because humans began to have to much faith, and almost cockiness in themselves and started to turn away from the creator. And as soon as we as humans make that mistake and start believing that we are able to control our own lives better than God! I also agree when you said that we can’t explain everything through science and reason, so that should probably be a good indication that we obviously don’t know everything and we definitely need a higher power to keep us in check. Great post with a lot of interesting ideas!